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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2011 Week 04 Hansard (Wednesday, 6 April 2011) . . Page.. 1505 ..


could not be that clear. They ummed and ahhed a little bit and they said, “Both influence each other,” et cetera. Does that mean the 2002 master plan can be torn up because what is in the territory plan is final? Is that what you are actually saying?

Mr Barr: The territory plan is the document, yes.

MR COE: The 2002 master plan is completely dead?

Mr Barr: That is right.

MR COE: Mr Barr is saying yes, it is completely dead.

Mr Barr: The territory plan is the document and the territory plan variation that this place—

MR SPEAKER: Mr Barr, thank you. Order!

MR COE: It is very important that that is on the record, that Mr Barr is saying the 2002 master plan is completely dead.

Mr Barr: No, that is not what I am saying.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Ms Hunter: It was incorporated into the territory plan.

Mr Barr: I am saying it was incorporated by variation 202 into the territory plan.

MR SPEAKER: Members, we are not debating across the chamber. Order!

MR COE: So you are saying the master plan has been incorporated into the territory plan and therefore the original 2002 master plan, the actual document, should not be referred to anymore.

Mr Barr: It is now in the territory plan, Alistair.

MR SPEAKER: Mr Barr, we might give you leave in a minute.

MR COE: I find that very interesting because that information was not provided to me in a briefing. That information could have easily been provided to me in a briefing but it was not. If I am getting two messages from the government, how do you expect a punter in Belconnen who is trying to decipher all the different information sources—as I said, ACTPLA, TAMS, LDA, CMD, Environment and others—to navigate their way through all of those agencies if I, as a full-time legislator, struggle because I get mixed messages?

When it comes down to it, this whole process highlights the need for us, as members of this Assembly, to start being prescriptive in terms of getting information from this government, because if we do not do that, we are not going to get it. That is why


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