Page 2146 - Week 06 - Tuesday, 8 May 2012

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that these numbers are not big enough? No, because they have got no idea what those numbers might be. It is budget paper No 3, guys, going backwards, if you want to have a look—just to tell you where it is.

We heard Mrs Dunne talking about ruts and potholes. She talked about it being replicated across the city. I think maybe people are a bit besotted with potholes in their local streets. Yet she herself congratulated TAMS on fixing it. Let me tell you something, Madam Deputy Speaker: we have got some of the most qualified road engineers in Australia working in TAMS. We have got a contrast between those road engineers—experts—acting independently of government and Mrs Dunne and those opposite telling us what needs to be done, with Mr Seselja telling us what needs to be done with our roads.

If I have got a choice between whose advice I am going to accept about the way forward in terms of the millions of dollars we spend every year—our road engineers or Mrs Dunne, Mr Seselja or the absent Mr Coe, MIA—what am I going to do? He is supposedly the shadow minister for roads, but he is the shadow, the very big shadow minister for roads; he ain’t here. If I have that choice, I am going to go with our roads engineers, Madam Deputy Speaker, because they know what they are talking about and those opposite do not.

MS LE COUTEUR (Molonglo) (4.03): I thank Mr Seselja for raising this issue, because the state of the roads is a matter of great importance to any city. Humans have cities because we are social beings, we like to get together and we have to bring things in and out. We have to transport people. A good transport system is vital to every city. Canberra is no exception to that.

MADAM DEPUTY SPEAKER: The time for this discussion has expired.

Planning, Building and Environment Legislation Amendment Bill 2012

Clause 1.

Debate resumed.

Clause 1 agreed to.

Remainder of bill, by leave, taken as a whole.

MR CORBELL: (Molonglo—Attorney-General, Minister for Police and Emergency Services and Minister for the Environment and Sustainable Development) (4.05): Pursuant to standing order 182A, I seek leave to move amendments Nos 1 to 7 circulated in my name together, which are urgent.

Leave granted.

MR CORBELL: I move amendments Nos 1 to 7 circulated in my name together [see schedule 3 at page 2162]. These government amendments are in response to


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