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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2000 Week 10 Hansard (18 October) . . Page.. 3149 ..

MR SPEAKER: Order! Settle down or somebody else will be walking off very quickly.

MR MOORE: Mr Stanhope suggests that this is because of a motion of no confidence. No no-confidence motion against Mrs Carnell has been carried. She chose, under pressure-nobody is missing that-to resign. Mr Stanhope continuously said through his speech that there is no precedent. Well, in fact, a person I consider now to be a very good friend, the health minister in South Australia, Mr Dean Brown, under a great deal of pressure, was forced from the premiership of South Australia and immediately was appointed by the Premier to be the health minister.

Mr Corbell: What an absurd suggestion.

MR MOORE: Mr Corbell, this is very upsetting. It is a precedent that exists and you have had to listen to your leader say that there is no precedent.

Mr Corbell: He was forced out by a party room too.

Mr Quinlan: The standing orders, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: He is responding to Mr Stanhope.

Mr Quinlan: Oh, it's okay. All right. I will respond to him.

MR MOORE: Of course there is a precedent. Mr Brown resigned from the premiership and was then appointed to a ministry. This is not uncommon. Even if there was not a precedent it is also reasonable to say there is no precedent for an independent member being appointed a minister. Things do happen here that are different.

MR SPEAKER: Mr Moore, do not debate the substantive motion, please.

MR MOORE: Than you, Mr Speaker. I hope you give me the same liberal approach that you gave to Mr Stanhope.

MR SPEAKER: Careful, careful.

MR MOORE: I shall be careful. Mr Speaker, I think this is a fairly simple and a fairly straightforward issue. Mr Stanhope stood and began his speech by saying that he had hoped that the resignation of Mrs Carnell would have been the end of this matter. I do not think there is a single person in this room who would believe that, Mr Speaker. His very standing to move the motion that he has circulated to members about Mrs Carnell, the motion that in view of the circumstances of her resignation she should not be appointed as a minister during the term of the Fourth Assembly, is interesting in itself because it does raise the very spectrum-

Mr Quinlan: You guys don't get it, do you?

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