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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1999 Week 13 Hansard (9 December) . . Page.. 4262 ..

MR KAINE (continuing):

Your argument just does not stand up, Minister. Mr Rugendyke, I am sure, is having a wonderful victory at your expense, and you think this is logical. You are increasing the costs by your very own action of supporting Mr Rugendyke in this matter. To argue that Ms Tucker's amendment increases the costs is nothing compared to putting the police back in after the committee recommended that they go and get their compensation some place else, except as a last resort. You are not very convincing.

MS TUCKER (2.14 am): I am also interested in those comments from Mr Humphries. I would really like to see Mr Humphries show us detailed costings of this new scheme. It is all very nice to come up with these ideas. He has a particular cost estimate of this, but where are the real costings of, for example, this whole service? What is the counselling going to mean in terms of dollars? Have we got from you, Mr Humphries, a definite costing of this new service?

Mr HUMPHRIES (Treasurer, Attorney-General and Minister for Justice and Community Safety) (2.15 am): Yes.

Ms Tucker: We have? Good. Well, can we see it? We have not seen it.

MR HUMPHRIES: Mr Speaker, that information has been tabled before and I have answered questions about it before. I was also asked in the committee, of which Mr Kaine was a member, to provide details of the costings.

Ms Tucker: So you know exactly what it is all going to cost?

MR HUMPHRIES: And I provided answers to all the questions that were asked of me at that time. If you have got a question now, Ms Tucker, at the eleventh hour, it is a little bit late, with respect.

Question put:

That the amendment (Ms Tucker's ) be agreed to.

The Assembly voted -

AYES, 8  	NOES, 9

Mr Berry 	Ms Carnell
Mr Corbell 	Mr Cornwell
Mr Hargreaves 	Mr Hird
Mr Kaine 	Mr Humphries
Mr Quinlan 	Mr Moore
Mr Stanhope 	Mr Osborne
Ms Tucker 	Mr Rugendyke
Mr Wood 	Mr Smyth
		Mr Stefaniak

Question so resolved in the negative.

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