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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1998 Week 9 Hansard (18 November) . . Page.. 2600 ..

MR HARGREAVES (continuing):

coming to a conclusion on what is essentially a life-and-death matter. It is not another litter Bill. Mr Speaker, I am fed up with having 20 seconds to make up my mind about this thing. If these people are honest and really sure about it, why do they not go through the process and consult properly instead of trying to dry-gulch us into it?

Mr Osborne: We are not asking you to decide, John.

MR HARGREAVES: You have consistently attempted to dry-gulch this thing, to con us. It is one big con job after another.

Mr Osborne: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I can only take so much of it when he has got it so wrong, Mr Speaker.

MR HARGREAVES: What is the point of order?

Mr Osborne: Mr Speaker, we are not asking Mr Hargreaves to make up his mind on the Bill.

MR SPEAKER: You will have your opportunity shortly.

MR HARGREAVES: Thank you, Mr Speaker. The point that I make here is that there has been one con job after the other, and I do not believe that this is not just another one. I am urging this Assembly to vote for the process. The process is the only thing we have here to protect us from these con jobs. These people here, with their black handkerchiefs on their heads, are becoming very adept at it. I do not think we should let them do it.

MR SPEAKER: Mr Berry, are you seeking leave to speak again?

MR BERRY: Yes, I am seeking leave, Mr Speaker.

Leave not granted.

MR BERRY: Mr Speaker, I move:

That so much of the standing orders - - -

MR SPEAKER: It is getting complicated here. Could I appeal to members? This has been a pretty free-ranging but reasonable debate. Could I put the question again? Is leave granted for Mr Berry to speak again?

Leave granted.

MR BERRY (11.32): Thank you. Mr Speaker, I wish to explain. Earlier in the debate we were caught in another timeframe which normally applies to a motion to suspend standing orders. That has been changed and that is why I sought leave to speak again. I know Mr Osborne will not like what I say but that should not be the guide to whether one gets leave or not.

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