Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1998 Week 8 Hansard (28 October) . . Page.. 2378 ..
MR MOORE: It is a matter of fact, Mr Speaker.
Mr Berry: Well, it is a matter of fact that you have had your chance to debate it. You will get your chance, if you were misrepresented, after the debate is over. You know the rules.
MR MOORE: I am not debating the issue. I am debating the matter of fact that has been misrepresented, and that is a perfectly normal thing to do within standing orders.
Mr Berry: After the debate is over.
MR SPEAKER: It is a question of whether it is standing order 47 or 46.
MR MOORE: Either one, Mr Speaker. I would be happy to use either one. I will explain what it is and perhaps you can draw your conclusion from that. Mr Stanhope, in his speech, referred to the Kinlyside matter on a number of occasions. As part of his personal attack on me he said that at no stage had I spoken on that. Mr Stanhope stood to close that debate and said:
I will close the debate, Mr Speaker. Contrary to what the Chief Minister and the Deputy Chief Minister and others have said, and contrary to what Mr Moore has found it convenient to think ...
I was the speaker who preceded Mr Stanhope not six minutes earlier. I interjected and I said - - -
Mr Stanhope: That had slipped my mind and I withdraw the suggestion. I apologise to Mr Moore for suggesting that he had not contributed to that debate. I had forgotten. It must have had such an impact on me. I completely forgot that you had made any contribution. I do remember your vote, however, Mr Moore, and I remain stunned by it.
MR SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr Stanhope.
Mr Moore: Thanks, Mr Stanhope. You have to tighten up.
Mr Stanhope: Do not tell me what to do, Mr Moore.
MR SPEAKER: Order! It is hardly surprising that members cannot hear the crossbenches when they are too busy shouting at each other across the chamber.
MR KAINE (4.25): Mr Speaker, to summarise my perception of this debate, I repeat a little ditty often used by the US army chemical corps: "When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout, and make smoke". That is my perception of this debate. The Government is in trouble and it is making smoke. I do not think there is much else to be said about this debate. It has been a waste of time. The Government has not substantiated its position in putting forward this motion and I am just wondering why we are wasting more time by continuing the debate. Make smoke.