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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1998 Week 6 Hansard (2 September) . . Page.. 1790 ..

MS CARNELL (continuing):

So, in the second amendment omit "requires" and substitute "calls on". In that way, Mr Speaker, I think everybody ends up with an outcome that is appropriate. Those opposite can look after their CPSU mates. Those opposite can say that they only really support union-negotiated agreements, and we can make it clear that we support staff-based agreements or union-based agreements, depending on what our particular staff want.

MR SPEAKER: You will need leave to amend your amendment.

MS CARNELL: I seek leave to amend my amendment to paragraph (2) by omitting "asks" and substituting "calls on".

Leave granted.

MR BERRY (4.09): Mr Speaker, the first thing I want to deal with is the theatre and the claims that were made by the Chief Minister in relation to unions. Let me make it clear. It is in the interests of all members of the Public Service to belong to a union, in my view, and to negotiate collectively.

Mr Moore: We know that is your view, Wayne.

Ms Carnell: We know that is what you believe. That is fine.

MR BERRY: That is a matter of fact. It is borne out by history.

Ms Carnell: It is your opinion.

MR BERRY: It is borne out by history. It can be in the interest of individuals if they are given no other alternative - "Or else", you know; "Negotiate by yourself, or else".

Mr Moore: If that was the case, Wayne, there would never be a separate EBA.

Mr Smyth: That is how you do it in the Labor Party. The rest of the world does not work that way.

MR BERRY: Let me make that part clear. While the upper class over the other side worry over that, I will get on to some other issues. Ms Carnell went into a great deal of theatre, bouncing around the place, saying, "The managers are not going to say, `You, you, you, you and you, out' ".

Ms Carnell: No, we are not.

MR BERRY: No, no; because you cannot. You cannot because there is an agreement in place which prevents you from doing it. That is why. We want you to put the same thing in which will prevent you from doing it in the future, as promised before the election. That is why you cannot do it, because you - - -

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