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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1996 Week 7 Hansard (18 June) . . Page.. 1825 ..

MR BERRY: No, mate; I have not been caught out at all. Mr Speaker, I have also indicated that I expect that that briefing should occur before the close of business today. I expect also - I trust even - that Mrs Carnell would not stand in the way of that briefing occurring with immediate effect.

Mrs Carnell: Mr Speaker, I think this is out of order, because it is not a personal explanation.

MR BERRY: Mr Speaker, I have leave.

MR SPEAKER: You have leave to explain matters of a personal nature.

MR BERRY: It is pretty personal.

MR SPEAKER: But such matters may not be debated.

MR BERRY: Indeed, and I am not debating a thing; I am telling the Assembly what has occurred in relation to those attempts - failed attempts, I might add - to impugn Mr Connolly and me.

Furthermore, in relation to another matter, Mrs Carnell also tried to create the impression that, as Health Minister, I had been censured in this place once before. That, of course, is untrue.

Mrs Carnell: When did I say that?

MR BERRY: Check the Hansard tomorrow. Mr Speaker, if I am incorrect, I will withdraw that.

Mr Kaine: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I accept Mr Berry's right to make a personal explanation. That does not appear to me to be what he is doing. First of all, he has asked for a public inquiry. Now he is on some other tack that has nothing to do with a personal explanation in terms of what the Chief Minister said. I think you need to pull him into line and bring him to order.

MR SPEAKER: Order! I would remind members that standing order 46 says:

Having obtained leave from the Chair -

which Mr Berry has done -

a Member may explain matters of a personal nature, although there is no question before the Assembly; but such matters may not be debated.

MR BERRY: Indeed.

MR SPEAKER: You are getting very close to debating some of these things.

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