Page 2105 - Week 10 - Thursday, 26 October 1989
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MR KAINE: I am still not clear because the next government proposal is that the definition of "employee" also be omitted. Further on in the legislation it also proposes that the definition of "employer" be omitted. Taking those three amendments together, it seems that the definitions of "apprentice", "employee" and "employer" are all omitted from this Bill and I see nothing to replace them.
MR WHALAN: The Leader of the Opposition is not correct there. We are not deleting the definition of "employee" or "employer". We are deleting the reference to "apprentice" in the definition of "employee" and "employer".
MR KAINE: Well, as I read your second amendment to clause 5 you also propose to omit the paragraph that defines "employee".
MR SPEAKER: Order! I would just like to draw members' attention to the fact that, for the Minister in charge or whoever is moving the amendment, periods are not specified; but any other member who wishes to participate in the debate has two periods, each not exceeding 10 minutes. If an extension is required a member may seek leave to obtain this. Mr Kaine, you have had your two periods.
MR KAINE: I have to object, Mr Speaker. This matter is not clear, so how can you argue that I have completed my debate on the Bill. That is rubbish and nonsense, and I do not accept it.
MR SPEAKER: We are dealing with standing orders, Mr Kaine. Please abide by them. All you need to do is seek leave if you wish to proceed further.
Amendment agreed to.
MR WHALAN (Minister for Industry, Employment and Education) (10.52): I move:
Page 3, line 18, omit paragraph (b) of the definition of "employee".
This is consequential on the previous amendment in relation to removing from both the "employee" and "employer" definitions the reference to the words "is an apprentice".
MR COLLAERY (10.53): I take it that the word "apprentice" will not be defined in this legislation.
MR WHALAN: That is correct.
MR COLLAERY: The legislation uses the term "substantially". The Government intends to move a proposed amendment to clause 38, for instance, to protect apprentices on sites. I would have thought it in the interests of the legislation to have the term defined. Now, the term in the Vocational Training Act is defined as
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