Page 42 - Week 02 - Tuesday, 23 May 1989

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But what is Mr Collaery's position? He talks about honesty and integrity. He talks about my having a discussion with the Deputy Chief Minister the other day. I had a discussion with Mr Collaery the other day. Why do Mr Stevenson and Mr Duby not get up and question my integrity because I had the effrontery to have a debate with Mr Collaery? Nobody else does it; only Mr Collaery does it.

Let us just think about that a bit and ask Mr Collaery what are his motivations. Why is he so intent on attacking Trevor Kaine? I do not know. Perhaps he would like to explain what the under-the-table motives are that he has for taking this particular view publicly and privately. I am not going to go into the private aspects of it, but I can assure you that what is said here does not even begin to equal what is said behind my back, in private, to people that he thinks are not going to convey it back to me. When I say that his integrity is in question, I also think that his intelligence is somewhat in question because he believes that nobody is going to relate back to me what he says.

Mr Moore: I rise on a point of order, Mr Speaker. I refer to standing order 55, which states:

All imputations of improper motives and all personal reflections on Members shall be considered highly disorderly.

MR KAINE: I submit, Mr Speaker, that Mr Collaery should withdraw the very things that he is saying about me, and that is a very good standing order. If he can make the aspersions, he can take the flak, I submit to you.

MR SPEAKER: The point of order is not upheld.

MR KAINE: Mr Collaery is a rather curious person, and I am just going to relate a little event that happened recently. He and I were talking about the fact that our telephones were being moved from one part of the building to another. Mr Collaery said to me - and this will grab you, when you talk about subterfuge and fear, looking behind every bush for where the underhand dealings are taking place - "You've got to be a bit careful. Do you know that it's very easy to run a pair down to the basement?" The implication was that somebody was bugging my telephone and they were down in the basement listening to my telephone calls. That was Mr Collaery.

What sort of mind does a man have to make that kind of assertion simply because my telephone is being moved from one part of the building to another? I suppose he will deny it now, but I do not have a fertile imagination in these matters like Mr Collaery does.

So I submit to you, Mr Speaker, that whatever the motives are for Mr Collaery to take this approach, it is not an attack on the Executive - the motion he put forward related


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