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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 1995 Week 11 Hansard (12 December) . . Page.. 2857..


MR HUMPHRIES (continuing):

which gave rise, on the basis of a recommendation by Mr John Enfield, to that person's removal from that position. In the case of Mr Lyon there was no such recommendation. It was simply the fact that Mr Keith Lyon - I have already named him, I am sorry; I did not mean to, but I have done so anyway - was incompatible with the then Deputy Chief Minister. Those opposite here who expect us to wear the line, "We are concerned about public servants and we would not gang up on anybody because they are incompatible with us", expect us all to have very short memories, Mr Speaker.

Ms Follett: Mr Speaker - - -

MR SPEAKER: Do you want to make a personal explanation?

Ms Follett: I do not mind, Mr Speaker. Whatever standing order you will let me speak under I am prepared to have a go at.

MR SPEAKER: The fact is that you can speak a second time anyway. If the Chief Minister wishes to speak - - -

Ms Follett: Thank you; I will take it.

MR SPEAKER: Go on, if you wish to speak now.

MS FOLLETT (Leader of the Opposition) (11.49): Mr Speaker, I want to address the matter of Mr Keith Lyon which Mr Humphries has raised. The fact is that Mr Lyon is still a permanent public servant. In fact, I think he is a deputy secretary at Veterans' Affairs.

Mr Kaine: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Again the Leader of the Opposition is taking a standing order 46 objection when the - - -

MR SPEAKER: No, she is using her second opportunity to speak.

Mr Kaine: The Leader of the Opposition is taking exceptions under standing order 46 when what she is complaining about has nothing to do with her. Mr Humphries did not say that the then Chief Minister fired this officer. She was not mentioned. So she has no grounds on which to make a personal explanation.

MR SPEAKER: She is not making a personal explanation, Mr Kaine. She is using - - -

Mr Kaine: Well, what else is she doing under standing order 46?

MS FOLLETT: Why don't you have a good fight?

Mr Berry: Change your medication. I would.

MR SPEAKER: Order! She is not taking a point of order or making a personal explanation under standing order 46. Ms Follett is exercising her right to speak a second time on this question. In fact, when she first stood, I invited the Chief Minister, if she wished to make a comment, to do so, so that Ms Follett could wrap the whole thing up when she closed the debate; but Ms Follett chose to stand and speak now.


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