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Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2011 Week 11 Hansard (18 October) . . Page.. 4519..


Members interjecting—

MR SPEAKER: Order! Mr Hargreaves has the floor.

Mr Hargreaves: Mr Speaker, I am concerned that what we are seeing being explored is a reflection on the vote this morning, and we are actually going over the same ground as this morning. So the issue of the standing order which deals with repetition should apply here.

Mr Seselja: On the point of order, Mr Speaker, there is no standing order to which Mr Hargreaves has pointed. There is nothing to prevent us from asking questions which may have been the subject of some debate in the Assembly. Mr Hargreaves has absolutely no point of order. If we were to be restricted in that sense, there would be very few questions asked in this place.

MR SPEAKER: There is no point of order at this stage. Minister Burch, the response to the question, thank you.

MS BURCH: From memory—there was a little bit of distraction there—I think the premise was why hasn't anything changed since 2004. There has been significant change since 2004. The Vardon report set out a range of reform measures and this government invested in those reform measures. Just some of them were the child and family centres, of which we have had the third one recently opened. We have instigated a therapeutic model of foster care. We have increased our placements. We have an out-of-home care framework that clearly sets out the expectations through the most recent tender process and payments and subsidies to carers. We have a neglect policy. I think part of the Vardon review was about an institute of children's studies in the ACT. So to say that nothing has happened just shows the absolute ignorance and the ability of Mrs Dunne to verbal anybody.

Mr Coe interjecting—

Mr Hargreaves: On a point of order, Mr Speaker, Mr Coe just suggested that the minister is breaking the law. I would ask you to ask him to withdraw that or to come up with yet another substantive motion.

Members interjecting—

MR SPEAKER: Order, members!

Mrs Dunne: On the point of order, Mr Speaker, I think what Mr Coe said was that they are still breaking the law, and this is the subject of a report that reported to you on Friday that substantiated that.

MR SPEAKER: Mr Coe said, "You are breaking the law."I would ask you to withdraw, Mr Coe.

Mr Coe: The implication was the department, but I withdraw.


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